Renowned producer, accomplished musician, and notorious crank Steve Albini strikes again! As Stereogum points out, in a recent GQ interview, he had some harsh words for his friends Sonic Youth, who he apparently considers sellouts. And when we took a closer look at the conversation, we were unsurprised to find that they were not the only targets of his contempt. (To be fair, he also expressed approval for a few people and things, including John Peel, The Stooges, and the Internet.) Follow along after the jump, as we enumerate Albini’s most recent hate list, from movies in general to GQ in specific, and let us know whether you think he’s a straight-talking indie hero or a whiny hater.
Sonic Youth selling out
“[A] lot of the things they were involved with as part of the mainstream were distasteful to me. And a lot of the things that happened as a direct result of their association with the mainstream music industry gave credibility to some of the nonsense notions that hover around the star-making machinery. A lot of that stuff was offensive to me and I saw it as a sellout and a corruption of a perfectly valid, well-oiled music scene. Sonic Youth chose to abandon it in order to become a modestly successful mainstream band — as opposed to being a quite successful independent band that could have used their resources and influence to extend that end of the culture. They chose to join the mainstream culture and become a foot soldier for that culture’s encroachment into my neck of the woods by acting as scouts. I thought it was crass and I thought it reflected poorly on them. I still consider them friends and their music has its own integrity, but that kind of behavior — I can’t say that I think it’s not embarrassing for them. I think they should be embarrassed about it.”
The mainstream
“I’m not really interested in participating in mainstream culture. Participating in the mainstream music business is, to me, like getting involved in a racket.”
Music festivals that aren’t All Tomorrow’s Parties
“Very early on in Shellac’s existence we decided we weren’t going to play festivals because they were so unpleasant. And then Barry Hogan who runs ATP contacted us. For the first ATP, we just said ‘No, we don’t do festivals.’ But then we got contacted again by Mogwai, who were curating the second All Tomorrow’s Parties. They convinced us that it would be at least worth an experiment to see if it was a different experience. And it was. They completely changed the festival game. Now the whole world has to operate under the knowledge that there are these cool, curated festivals where everyone is treated well and the experience is a generally pleasant one.”
Bands performing classic albums in full (something that happens to be a central feature of ATP)
“Seeing The Stooges play Fun House was pretty amazing. Seeing them play Raw Power was also great, but Fun House is a very special record for me. But there’s something about this whole recreating an album thing that I’m not that into. I feel like bands should be growing, living, functioning entities and to crystallize a band into a single album, and for that to be a touchstone — I understand it from a fan’s perspective but I also feel like it’s a little bit misleading in terms of the way bands actually function.
Music lawyers and managers
“That was a period where the music scene got quite ugly — there were a lot of parasitic people involved like lawyers and managers. There were people who were making a living on the backs of bands, who were doing all the work.”
Movies
“I don’t really like movies. I don’t rate movies as an art form.”
Fashion
I think fashion is repulsive. The whole idea that someone else can make clothing that is supposed to be in style and make other people look good is ridiculous. It sickens me to think that there is an industry that plays to the low self-esteem of the general public. I would like the fashion industry to collapse. I think it plays to the most superficial, most insecure parts of human nature.”
GQ
“I hope GQ as a magazine fails.”
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Comments (13)
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First. But he’s a whiny hater. Who doesn’t like movies and doesnt appreciate it as an art form? that’s just stupid for the sake of being indie cool. Douche.
oops, mog music network beat me to it… they were first… :(
He sounds like such a lovely person to be around….
Doesn’t sound like a twat in the least bit…
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I completely agree with Mr. Albini – every single one of his points is spot-on. He wasn’t being cranky or harsh in the least – his replies were quite civil. He’s telling the truth as he sees it, saying things that most people in his position have chosen to cover up or ignore. I almost didn’t read this, because I was tired of reading yet another gripe session. I’m glad I did. It’s truth to whatever ‘power’ is considered sadly legitimate in such a slimy business.
movies, fashion, mainstream culture, festivals that are not ATP…. yes, Mr. Albini, you are correct…
now, how bout a Rapeman gig….
Hmmm…and this comes from a guy who produced Nirvana and other Mtv alternative/indie/grunge darlings in the late 80s/early 90s?? Calling someone a “sell-out” truly is in the eye of the beholder. I’m an old punk rocker from the early waves of punk that hit Chicago in the 70s and 80s and I definitely saw him around from time-to-time, not to mention the feuds between him and Vic from AOF. On one hand, I think he’s got good sense in his approach to recording bands — I miss the days where bands weren’t sanitized and over-produced (and auto-tuned) and actually played live in studio as a unit and were recorded that way, rather than being recorded individually and disconnected from each member. But I’ve got SERIOUS issues with a lot of the stuff he’s said over the years — especially calling racism and sexism “imaginary prejudices”.
And as for his take on movies I’d understand if he was making a statement on the lack of integrity, originality and diversity in the Hollywood machine, but it’s a bit myopic to slam the entire medium. It’s like saying you hate dancing based on seeing David Hasselhoff and Michael Bolton dance on that bizarre ABC show and now you suddenly want to deny the entire art form of dance.
i realize the fashion world and hollywood are generally awful, but so is the music scene on many levels. how are designing clothes or making movies any different from playing music? in any of these cases, it is someone’s creative expression. one form is no more valid than another. as long as the fashion designer/movie director are doing it on their own terms and not for some corporation, how are those things any different than what you do, mr. albini? this guy still thinks like a self-absorbed teenager.
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